[Projectleiding] Crowd funding the event

Attilla de Groot attilla at ifcat.org
Tue Nov 19 22:46:32 CET 2019


> On 17 Nov 2019, at 23:34, <jeroen at ifcat.org> <jeroen at ifcat.org> wrote:
> Atilla,
> On Crowdfunding :
> Crowdfunding could be an option, we should not use this name for any form of pre-sale to raise early cashflow,  but it could be an option purely for small sponsors as a gift to make the event possible.
> Crowdfunding/Donation buttons/options could be added to the MCH2021 Website, the Wiki or an item in the Ticket shop, for example CCC had a voluntary badge donation item in their shop.....

That is exactly what I’m proposing, not sure I understand this comment?

> There is one downside to crowdfunding though, it is open to anyone and there are most certainly parties where we would not except donations from, for any donation made we would need to know where it is coming from
> and return the money if the source is incompatible with our community values.

Ticket sales is (within reason) open to anyone as well and pretty anonymous. I don’t see how this is different. Regardless, I would classify this as a nice problem to have and we’ll see what to do with the 100k from $evilcompany ;-)

> On Giftcards/Coupons :
> I agree with Juerd that "Coupon" is a way better word than "Giftcard" in this context.

I’m pretty sure this is flexible. Let’s keep it to one naming discussion a year. ;-)

> There should not be much of a problem with the word voucher as well, yes that is used in a different system by CCC Camp & Congress but they have been doing that for many years, camp2019 was the first event where tickets sold out 
> during the voucher phase and that lead to controversy. We should watch what happens to the congress tickets, if that leads to the same controversy then yes vouchers might be an incorrect name.
> For SHA2017 vouchers where also used and I think the community understands quite well that the ticket sale for our event is sufficiently different, especially if buying a single full/ single partial or multiple partial Coupons/vouchers is possible to anyone.

Vouchers != Coupons/giftcards. Two different systems.

> Regardless of the name there are quite a number of rules (and I am not an expert here) :
> - Legal Rules with regard to explicitly mentioning the date the coupon was issued, the number of months the coupon must be valid or until what specific date/event and when the voucher loses its monetary value.
> - VAT/BTW 	1) if it is known what the coupon will be spent on --> a ticket for the event --> and the VAT percentage of that ticket is known there is a good possibility that we need to pay VAT when the Coupon is sold directly
> 		2) if it is unknown what the coupon will be spent on --> any item in the ticketshop --> and the VAT percentage of the item(s) purchased is unknown then we need to pay VAT when the Coupon is exchanged for individual items.

I believe this is the case from what I read. I prefer to seek advice from our accountant on this one.

> This requires :
> - some creativity to make sure we fall into coupon category number 2

Not necessarily a problem, just more administrative handling.

> - a legal coupon expert to make sure we have the right legal wording


> - an accountant with experience with the financial side of coupons


> - as you mentioned a question to the VAT TAX office to avoid future differences of opinion with them 😊


> If the ticket shop is open for that long changes in its appearance are to be expected, should not be a problem.

We just have to take it into account so we have as little changes as possible up to the event. This makes it clear for the visitors and they know what to expect.

> If people have the ability to purchase multiple vouchers several months apart and use them to fund the partial/full ticket price when the real tickets go on sale the this could benefit both or visitors by allowing them to spread their payments
> And it benefits the event by providing some early on cash for the cash flow to make large reservation payments.


— Attilla

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