[Projectleiding] Accessible showers

[Henry Schokkenbroek]

Hi Simon,

Sorry to hear you were that occupied with work.
On a positive note, that sounds like you have a job and income. I also
see a lot of people without.

> I am not an expert on Dutch law but even I can read Article 1 of the
> Constitution and whilst I am struggling with the Algemene Wet Gelijke
> Behandeling it would seem to partially cover this.
Well, let's not go there. Equality within our constitution is a joke and
doesn't say we have to do anything.

> My proposal would be to see how many we can get and aim for around 10%
> of our showers to be accessible ones if possible, even if they are
> combo ones

That number would be quite high in our case. We expect to have around 60
showers in total, and currently plan for 3 MiVa/shower combo units.
Historically this has proven sufficient, and ticket sales do not show
signs that demand will be significantly different this year.

A MiVa unit costs roughly the same as a regular unit, but a regular unit
serves 12–14 people at once. So it’s a trade-off that we try to balance
as fairly as possible.

We will have 138 regular toilets and 3 MiVa ones. That makes up for
2,17% and 2,17% of 3500 would be 76 people.
I would be more than happy if we would welcome 76 people how need to use
a MiVa toilet. Don't pin me on this number, in the past we've welcomed
10 to 20ish max.


> Now then. showers. If I recall there is a lack of availability of
> stand alone shower blocks in Netherlands for the summer? We did
> discuss some of the combo toilet/showers and I have been thinking
> about that. 
There is not only a lack of these in the summer. I can honestly say I
never have seen a standalone shower MiVa unit ever.
As far as I'm aware they always come combined and people have been using
them happily for years (not only on our events).

> As an extra thought, do we need to consider how all the showers are
> connected - are their any environmental issues with soaps and shampoos
> that we might need to warn people about?
Nothing the sewage system can't handle.

> We can place these (water and infrastructure allowing) by Safety for
> example where there is an "invalide toilet" on the map already as a
> reserved one and maybe scatter a couple with the block to the east by
> the campers and one with the family camping as that could double up
> for parents and children as well. 
We can't place them, team:terrain places them (as they also look at
water/sewer connection, make the maps, etc) but we sure can give
recommendations to them. I think for now they are looking at:

- The toilet block near the supermarket
- Safety
- Block south of Karaoke bar   


warm Regards,

Henry Paulissen Schokkenbroek
T: +31611530564

On 20/05/2025 12:34, Simon Hawthorn wrote:
> Hello Henry 
>
> Going through my list of actions I have one to talk to you about
> accessible showers for WHY. Apologies for the delay replying, I had to
> deal with redundancy in my job and that took most of my spare time for
> a couple of weeks. Good news, I am still employed. 
>
> Now then. showers. If I recall there is a lack of availability of
> stand alone shower blocks in Netherlands for the summer? We did
> discuss some of the combo toilet/showers and I have been thinking
> about that. 
>
> I think as a compromise, if we can get a few of those it would be
> helpful, even if we have to semi separate them to help preserve them
> for those with genuine needs. I pick my words carefully here because
> there may be many people who would benefit from an accessible shower
> but I am also very aware of the fact that accessible facilities are
> often misused making them less useful for those with extra needs. 
>
> My proposal would be to see how many we can get and aim for around 10%
> of our showers to be accessible ones if possible, even if they are
> combo ones. I am not an expert on Dutch law but even I can read
> Article 1 of the Constitution and whilst I am struggling with
> the Algemene Wet Gelijke Behandeling it would seem to partially cover
> this. But I leave compliance with Team PL! 
>
> We can place these (water and infrastructure allowing) by Safety for
> example where there is an "invalide toilet" on the map already as a
> reserved one and maybe scatter a couple with the block to the east by
> the campers and one with the family camping as that could double up
> for parents and children as well. 
>
> As an extra thought, do we need to consider how all the showers are
> connected - are their any environmental issues with soaps and shampoos
> that we might need to warn people about?
>
> Happy to have a conversation about it and think about how we word any
> information about them to help manage peoples opinions and expectations. 
>
> Have a good day!
>
> Simon
>
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