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<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Hi Henry,</div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">That makes a lot of sense then! Sorry if I picked up the wrong bits of the legislation but certainly interesting that the protections are not as well thought of there as they look from the outside. I always find that fascinating to see. </div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">If the historic data supports that number it sounds a reasonable trade off and gives us some cover in case people question it. I much prefer a data driven answer and also knowing the much increased cost helps to explain the difficult decisions made. </div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Noted on the connections, I assumed that the current placement of toilets and showers was set by the utilities but always good to have confirmation. </div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Have a good afternoon!</div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Simon</div><div class="protonmail_quote">
On Tuesday, May 20th, 2025 at 6:48 PM, Henry Schokkenbroek <henry@ifcat.org> wrote:<br>
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<p>Hi Simon,</p>
<p class="" data-end="1013" data-start="917">Sorry to hear you were
that occupied with work.<br>
On a positive note, that sounds like you have a job and income. I
also see a lot of people without.<br>
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</p><blockquote type="cite">I am not an expert on Dutch law but even I
can read Article 1 of the Constitution and whilst I am
struggling with the <span data-huuid="1974892587756545399"><span>Algemene
Wet Gelijke Behandeling it would seem to partially cover
this.<br>
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Well, let's not go there. Equality within our constitution is a
joke and doesn't say we have to do anything.<br>
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</p><blockquote type="cite">My proposal would be to see how many we
can get and aim for around 10% of our showers to be accessible
ones if possible, even if they are combo ones</blockquote>
<p></p>
<p class="" data-end="1390" data-start="1129">That number would be
quite high in our case. We expect to have around 60 showers in
total, and currently plan for 3 MiVa/shower combo units.
Historically this has proven sufficient, and ticket sales do not
show signs that demand will be significantly different this year.</p>
<p class="" data-end="1559" data-start="1392">A MiVa unit costs
roughly the same as a regular unit, but a regular unit serves
12–14 people at once. So it’s a trade-off that we try to balance
as fairly as possible.<br>
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We will have 138 regular toilets and 3 MiVa ones. That makes up
for 2,17% and 2,17% of 3500 would be 76 people.<br>
I would be more than happy if we would welcome 76 people how need
to use a MiVa toilet. Don't pin me on this number, in the past
we've welcomed 10 to 20ish max.<br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Now
then. showers. If I recall there is a lack of availability of
stand alone shower blocks in Netherlands for the summer? We
did discuss some of the combo toilet/showers and I have been
thinking about that. </div>
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There is not only a lack of these in the summer. I can honestly
say I never have seen a standalone shower MiVa unit ever.<br>
As far as I'm aware they always come combined and people have been
using them happily for years (not only on our events).<br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">As
an extra thought, do we need to consider how all the showers
are connected - are their any environmental issues with soaps
and shampoos that we might need to warn people about?</div>
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Nothing the sewage system can't handle.<br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">We
can place these (water and infrastructure allowing) by Safety
for example where there is an "invalide toilet" on the map
already as a reserved one and maybe scatter a couple with the
block to the east by the campers and one with the family
camping as that could double up for parents and children as
well. </div>
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We can't place them, team:terrain places them (as they also look
at water/sewer connection, make the maps, etc) but we sure can
give recommendations to them. I think for now they are looking at:<br>
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- The toilet block near the supermarket<br>
- Safety<br>
- Block south of Karaoke bar <br>
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<p>warm Regards,</p>
<pre cols="72" class="moz-signature">Henry Paulissen Schokkenbroek
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20/05/2025 12:34, Simon Hawthorn
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<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Hello
Henry </div>
<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Going
through my list of actions I have one to talk to you about
accessible showers for WHY. Apologies for the delay replying, I
had to deal with redundancy in my job and that took most of my
spare time for a couple of weeks. Good news, I am still
employed. </div>
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<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Now
then. showers. If I recall there is a lack of availability of
stand alone shower blocks in Netherlands for the summer? We did
discuss some of the combo toilet/showers and I have been
thinking about that. </div>
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<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">I
think as a compromise, if we can get a few of those it would be
helpful, even if we have to semi separate them to help preserve
them for those with genuine needs. I pick my words carefully
here because there may be many people who would benefit from an
accessible shower but I am also very aware of the fact that
accessible facilities are often misused making them less useful
for those with extra needs. </div>
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<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">My
proposal would be to see how many we can get and aim for around
10% of our showers to be accessible ones if possible, even if
they are combo ones. I am not an expert on Dutch law but even I
can read Article 1 of the Constitution and whilst I am
struggling with the <span data-huuid="1974892587756545399"><span>Algemene
Wet Gelijke Behandeling it would seem to partially cover
this. But I leave compliance with Team PL! </span></span></div>
<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">We
can place these (water and infrastructure allowing) by Safety
for example where there is an "invalide toilet" on the map
already as a reserved one and maybe scatter a couple with the
block to the east by the campers and one with the family camping
as that could double up for parents and children as well. </div>
<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">As
an extra thought, do we need to consider how all the showers are
connected - are their any environmental issues with soaps and
shampoos that we might need to warn people about?</div>
<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Happy
to have a conversation about it and think about how we word any
information about them to help manage peoples opinions and
expectations. </div>
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<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Have
a good day!</div>
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<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Simon</div>
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