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<p>Hi Attilla,</p>
I personally think to drop the 310 and just make it 295 (ccc camp
price), 315 (break-even point) and 360 (if we want to cover
unforseen).
<p>Also I think we should mention that our main income comes from
ticketsales + ifcat equity, and that the calculations do not take
subsidies into account.<br>
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<p>Greetings,</p>
<p>Julius</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 31-10-2020 17:50, Attilla de Groot
via Projectleiding wrote:<br>
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How about this:
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<div class="">Hi All,<br class="">
<br class="">
As you have been able to read in our blog around the Covid19
situation, we have the intention to start the ticket sales in
December. As for every event, the ticket price and procedures
have been a hot topic for discussion. To keep this as open as
possible, we would like to get input from the orga (and other
interested people) on the ticket pricing. This is also an agenda
item on the orga meeting on Saturday, but we’re sure that this
will be a heavily discussed topic on the mailinglist as well.<br
class="">
<br class="">
I have added three screenshots of the highlevel budget part with
a different ticket pricing to show what this does to the
income/expenses. The total expected expenses (including 20%
unforeseen) are a bit over 1.2 million euros. This is based on
the expenses from previous events with an expected increase and
costs that we already know (e.g the terrain). Assuming we can
organise the event due to Covid19, there will be additional
costs due to the situation (e.g the insurance price is 2x).<br
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<br class="">
Current thoughts with the ticket sales procedure is as follows:<br
class="">
- Start the sales with price x (and some additional
supporter/bussiness tickets)<br class="">
- Increase the price over time (e.g early bird is less than one
10 days for the event with increases on fixed dates)<br class="">
- As usual have the possibility to make special arrangements for
attendees that need help with this</div>
<div class="">- Have all possible “extra” things in the ticketshop
on day 1.<br class="">
<br class="">
The big question here is: “What should the ticket price be?”. As
you can see from the screenshots, an avarage ticket price (e.g a
child ticket will be cheaper) of 290 euro with 3200 visitors is
needed to be barely cashflow positive, but this will leave very
little room for unforeseen costs. Given the board of IFCAT is
personally liable for this, we need to come up with a ticket
price higher than this. </div>
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<div class="">The other screenshots show a options with a higher
price up until pretty much 0 risk (there is always a risk when
organizing an event like this). Obviously we like having no risk
at all, but we need to find a balance between 0 and “too much”.
We hope that the community can give their opinion on this topic.
Feel free to respond on the mailinglist or during the Orga
mumble on Saturday. </div>
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<div class="">Thanks in advance!</div>
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Met vriendelijke groeten / Best regards,<br class="">
Attilla de Groot | +31 6 45788080<br class="">
Treasurer IFCAT | Project lead MCH2021</div>
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">On 31 Oct 2020, at 17:26, Niels
Hatzmann <<a href="mailto:niels@vm25.nl" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">niels@vm25.nl</a>> wrote:<br
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Hi,<br class="">
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I would add at least one example where you have a normal
result instead of a loss. And one example where the number of
visitors is considerably lower. <br class="">
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Just to be fair and honest to yourself. <br class="">
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cheers,<br class="">
<br class="">
Niels<br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">On 31 Oct 2020, at 17:15,
Attilla de Groot via Projectleiding <<a
href="mailto:projectleiding@lists.ifcat.org" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">projectleiding@lists.ifcat.org</a>>
wrote:<br class="">
<br class="">
This is the e-mail that I would like to send out to the
orga-list. Let me know what you think on this.<br class="">
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======================<br class="">
Hi All,<br class="">
<br class="">
As you have been able to read in our blog around the Covid19
situation, we have the intention to start the ticket sales
in December. As for every event, the ticket price and
procedures have been a hot topic for discussion. To keep
this as open as possible, we would like to get input from
the orga (and other interested people) on the ticket
pricing. This is also an agenda item on the orga meeting on
Saturday, but we’re sure that this will be a heavily
discussed topic on the mailinglist as well.<br class="">
<br class="">
I have added three screenshots of the highlevel budget part
with a different ticket pricing to show what this does to
the income/expenses. The total expected expenses (including
20% unforeseen) are a bit over 1.2 million euros. This is
based on the expenses from previous events with an expected
increase and costs that we already know (e.g the terrain).
Assuming we can organise the event due to Covid19, there
will be additional costs due to the situation (e.g the
insurance price is 2x).<br class="">
<br class="">
Current thoughts with the ticket sales procedure is as
follows:<br class="">
- Start the sales with price x (and some additional
supporter/bussiness tickets)<br class="">
- Increase the price over time (e.g early bird is less than
one 10 days for the event)<br class="">
- As usual have the possibility to make special arrangements
for attendees that need help with this<br class="">
<br class="">
The big question here is: “What should the ticket price
be?”. As you can see from the screenshots, an avarage ticket
price (e.g a child ticket will be cheaper) of 290 euro with
3200 visitors is needed to be barely cashflow positive, but
this will leave very little room for unforeseen costs. Given
the board of IFCAT is personally liable for this, we need to
come up with a ticket price higher than this. The other
screenshots show an option with a higher price.<br class="">
<br class="">
We hope that the community can give their opinion on this
topic. Feel free to respond on the mailinglist or during the
Orga mumble on Saturday. Thanks in advance!<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
Met vriendelijke groeten / Best regards,<br class="">
Attilla de Groot | +31 6 45788080<br class="">
Treasurer IFCAT | Project lead MCH2021<br class="">
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