[Projectleiding] Crowd funding the event

[Martin Gross]

Hey everyone!

Not to be a nag or anything... At some point, there was talk of having the
"Crowdfunding"-store up and running for 36C3 and to distribute
flyers/stickers/discounts...

If that is still the plan, we should probably get those things figured out
asap - just getting the payment providers correctly set up will probably
take a few days if we cannot "recycle" the SHA-accounts at Stripe...

Best,
Martin

Am Fr., 22. Nov. 2019 um 15:31 Uhr schrieb <jeroen at ifcat.org>:

> Martin,
>
> I agree with what you are writing, it is also my non expert opinion of
> the Dutch VAT law, just an example to make sure we all agree
>
> "single purpose voucher" – Only redeemable for a T-shirt with 21% VAT
> then the 21%VAT has to be paid at the moment the "single purpose voucher”
> is sold in the shop.
>
> "multi purpose voucher" - Redeemable for a T-shirt with 21% VAT or an
> entrance ticket consisting of 6% & 21% VAT items then the VAT percentage
> has to be paid when the "multi purpose voucher" is exchanged for ether a
> T-shirt or an entrance ticket.
>
> Nice to hear that Pretix supports "multi purpose voucher" and that we are
> flexible in how this presents itself to our visitors !
>
> Netsmurf
>
> *Van:* Martin Gross <martin at muc.ccc.de>
> *Verzonden:* 21 November, 2019 8:33 PM
> *Aan:* projectleiding at lists.ifcat.org
> *CC:* jeroen at ifcat.org; Attilla de Groot <attilla at ifcat.org>; Juerd
> Waalboer <juerd at tnx.nl>; Alexander <electrowolf at gmail.com>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Projectleiding] Crowd funding the event
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Some of this here might be repetitive of things already said - but
> repeating stuff over and over makes for better memorization, right? ;-)
>
> Since pretix introduced the concept of giftcards only recently, we did
> have to do some digging into the tax law. So while I am no expert on the
> matter and obviously any decision should be backed up by the opinion of a
> qualified tax consultant, here are some key points to keep in mind:
>
> EU legislation has been passed which outlines pretty clearly as to when
> the tax for the voucher has to be collected. It pretty much hinges on the
> fact if it is a "single purpose voucher" or a "multi purpose voucher". A
> SPV is a voucher, where the redemption value (what you are going to get in
> exchange - not the monetary value at purchase) is already know. So calling
> it a "munch card", which is known that it will be redeemable for
> munchies/food at Whatever-we'll-call-it 2021 --> Single purpose voucher,
> has to be taxes on purchase.
>
> As of writing this, pretix only supports MPV, as those are sold with no
> VAT and are applied like cash when redeemed. Arguing that this
> "crowdfunding" is giving you an MPV should not be difficult: Just having
> the abstract possibility of the participants redeeming it for one of many
> differently priced event/camping, parking or caravan tickets should do the
> trick: There is a chance that the event-ticket is actually a combination of
> different components (Event @ 21% VAT, Toeristenbelasting @ 6%), whereas
> the parking tickets and camper-spots just have one tax-rate attached to
> them.
>
> As to the naming-conventions:
>
> When selling a giftcard, it is just an item like any other in pretix: You
> can call it what you want and you can design the PDF with the giftcard-code
> however you want.
>
> However, (right now) when redeeming the gift-cards, the payment-step will
> call it a giftcard. Unless you want to start providing custom
> language-sets/translations (and keep them up to date): Just saying: But
> that's going to be a PITA. But there is nothing stopping us from putting an
> additional information-text on top of the payment methods that informs
> people that they can redeem the crowdfunding-code by redeeming it in the
> giftcard-section. And as the redemption of said giftcards won't be an issue
> until the official start of ticket-sales, we can just hide all references
> to giftcards until that point: That way, there won't be any confusion
> around the term at the time of purchase.
>
> Best,
>
> Martin
>
> Am Do., 21. Nov. 2019 um 17:26 Uhr schrieb Alexander <
> *electrowolf at gmail.com* <electrowolf at gmail.com>>:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Short remarks:
>
> * If you want to sell giftcards (or w/e it will be) you can name them with
> with monetary value in the name. e.g. "100 euro MunCH giftcard". This
> removes all doubt about what it is ;-).
>
> * By setting a max "giftcard" value that is guaranteed to be below the
> ticket price, we can improve our cash flow whilst not having to "pay people
> back". To me this seems to be the easiest option.
>
> * Crowdfunding vs sponsoring: There are many tastes of either. Some are
> purely donations, some require something in return. But we have full
> control over what we want to give in return (insert sponsor discussions
> here). Depending now how you set up the crowdfunding you can have control
> over who supports us. If we use most crowdfunding platforms you do not have
> any control over who supports us. If we mix both discussion you could come
> up with the following question: "Do we find it ok if %evilcompany gives us
> free money?" If the answer is "no" we have some other challenges to deal
> with ;-).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alexander//Electrowolf
>
> PS. MunCHcards sounds cool, use it to buy munch munch munchies!
>
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